When you have an over penetration or miss, which is likely in an adrenaline filled situation. Provided by Google Tag Manager to experiment advertisement efficiency of websites using their services. We all know the answer. It's quiet and very handy if you plan on silencing a weapon. I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. Over penetration matters in public too. Yes a 9mm may have less ft lb of energy going into your A variation of the _gat cookie set by Google Analytics and Google Tag Manager to allow website owners to track visitor behaviour and measure site performance. The 9mm NATO is equivalent to a slightly overpressure variant of the standard 9mm Luger. Yeah its not close because its way higher moron. No need to buy specialized rounds. I prefer more shock per hit. doubled in sizeand since .45 ACP is bigger to start with, it became massive in the end. The link is entitled to be wrong lol, the capacity of 9mm the distance and all is great . Do you want to be shooting a bullet likely to go through a wall or a car door killing or maiming an innocent bystander? 1 thing that cannot be argued is that the 22 cal is very effective. ". I dont know, however, this translates to a roughly 10% increase in energy being put into your target. Hi Matthew. Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. guns & Bullets which do not trike the target are worthless for self defense and represent a real danger to innocent bystanders. This should bring a target down. I also like the .38 special. If, as this data suggests, the external ballistics are practically negligible, then I can feel confident that Id be better served by getting the model with the best retention holster optionsRead more . "ANY GUN will do!! I would most def go with 9mm for carry You never know how many attackers you will be dealing with & if they all have weapons themselves, the more ammo you can shoot the better Plus if you scared of not a enough knock down power with the 9mm. Even in states with restrictions, you will shoot more accurately with 10x 9mm vs 10x ACP, so there is that in favor of the 9mm. Youll do well to pick heavier bullet weights that convey a, The Latin in the 9mms full name is short for. The 9mm is no pea shooter and a.45 acp is not a one shot giant killer. Very few handgun rounds will stop reliably with one shot or "knock him down." What seemed like moments after making my calls to get .45, I was again on the line with several of the same fine companies to acquire some 9mm. On the other OTH, if you're proficient with either the 9mm or 45 AUTO, then, go with it. I really enjoy carrying the 22 TCM, 19 rnd, 40 gr hollow points. My choice, since my first 1911A back in 1953, to my Glocks G21SF, G30, and G36 of today. The one that works best for you is the best choice. I would take the 1911 but some folks freak when they open carry. Good show! The Glock 43 offered the slowest MV with any given load, the Glock 19 always brought up the middle, and the G34 achieved the highest numbers. 20 ~ 30% accuracy, you have got to be kidding? ALL the benefits of both calibers. Not to say they didn't die on the street, but once they made it to surgery they survived. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I carry a Shield or a Glock 26. Kinetic energy. What-ever you choose.get practice. 50%? A key advantage, as stated, is the 45's shallower penetration for home defense. Factory loaded rounds are most commonly available with 115, 124, or 147 grain projectiles. We won the Battle of Britain independently of the US but how long the commonwealth would have held out could be debatable. Center mass Shot placement. However, if the same linebacker hits you at a sprinting speed of 14 miles per hour, its really going to hurt. Even the training provided is usually lacking. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. The ones that I carry travel at 1000 fps. But personally I would have both a BIG gun like 44 Magnum and spray, not one or the other. Well written, and no trash talking, rare in the gun world. If you're afraid of what's behind your target you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. Like clipped on the front of your backpack harness or belt, in a manner where it can quickly be retrieved and used. They aren't like 22lr or up in power like 44mag. I am really leaning toward the dog in a .45 it also comes in 9mm though for who likes that. Capacity is not as huge a deal as you make it out to be, you tried to compare police shootings to civilian ones. I am citing the work of others . A couple of things: 1. The average civilian self defense shooting ends on average between 2-4 rounds. like the Glock G21 and the Sig Sauer P220, the .45 ACP has always been one of the most reliable calibers on the market. Its like firing a 58cal. some info is well hidden for obvious reasons. It must be a nightmare knowing you could be shot by a nutcase at any time, day or night. They are extremely different. By the end of the program, 9 out of us 12 participants said they were going to purchase a 45. I can't think of any tangible way life is better for Americans then it was prior to ww2. This added pressure makes felt recoil from the 40 considerably snappier and more difficult to control. . The real reason why the FBI switched from 40 to 9mm is the same reason they switched for 10mm to 40, most cant handle the recoil and they dont pass the required score in the firing tests, same for civilians they cant handle the recoil, they groups are horrible then blame the caliber instead stop eating bacon and improve they fitness condition. I had a Beretta 9mm issued to me when I was 11H in the Army National Guard and it was ok, but I prefer my Gold Cup over that pistol. As for when you spray, I'll leave that for others with more experience. All this "muzzle energy" nonsense is for the clueless ones pretending to understand physics. This debate of 9 versus 45 just comes down to personal choice with today's ammo. Or you could end up in prison. Glocks are the most widely used, and are certainly good enough for almost all applications. Not a single one of them have considered the safety, storage, training costs/requirements, responsibilty, legal implications and physical logistics of owning and carrying. My military friends please chime in. You had to buy your own oversized grips. Ive loved the 45 since my Marine Corps days 50 years ago. : For me any Glock is a gun that I will be aiming at the dirt, while most Sigs & S&W revolvers will be on the money. Adrenaline is not the deterrent you make it out to be, some people actually perform better when "amped up" so maybe YOU would be would be useless but you have no right to comment on anyone but yourself. I'd rather have a .22 short revo than just my index finger. With that being said it all lies on personal preference. any bullet that passes through the body only delivers 10% to 20% of energy to the body, like the hot 9mm that are famous for over penetrating human targets, not jello it is ENERGY that is stopping power. Winner: 9mm Luger Muzzle Energy of 40 S&W vs. 9mm Speer 124 Grain 9mm Ammo Average Velocity: 1158 fps Average Muzzle Energy: 369 ft/lbs. Get proficient on YOUR time. Not in California and some other states that stop you a 10 rounds mags. Its truly sad that worthless police management who sit on their asses all day behind their desk in their A/C can implement near-sighted ideas like this, but it is what it is. We measured the velocity for all 40 rounds using a Competition Dynamics Prochrono chronograph placed 10 feet away from the muzzle. Firing one of my rifles indoors would mean likely permanent hearing damage and a bullet ripping through my exterior walls at high velocity. I shoot one shot with a 45 and the muzzle blast brings the barrel up sometimes cocked sideways some making it slow and difficult getting the gun back on target. Fortunate enough to equip your firearm with a suppressor? The FBI employs some smart people. Same debates have raged on Betamax vs VHS, mustang vs camaro, HD-DVD vs Bluray, etc etc. I do have a CZ 75 and a couple of 9mm Glocks that I carry occasionally. It fits an extended grip 14RD+1 so there's 51 RDs. ) or https:// means youve safely connected to the .gov website. In my case it was no weapons displayed (but you must always assume present) against a $h!t brick linebacker. Glocks are the best semi auto, there's no debate about it. 3. As the semi-automatic handgun gained traction in the late 60s and early 70s, so too did the 9mm. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Ive been doing this for 40 years. shoot it with a hot 45acp and it will tear a huge ragged hole and dang near clothsline out the hanging rope. This is simply not true. In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. Just for amusement value (not scientific) I once fired a glock 17 with a fmj 115 gr bullet into a ten inch square creosoted fence post. Over decades, many Ivy league graduates have gone there and it is the highest standard of law enforcement in our country. A couple of days ago I went out to my hunting property to shoot something more than paper targets and compare the rounds. God bless. The only advantage the mode 59 has is the rear sight to adjustable for both windage and elevation . As Katherine pointed out as well, there are so many variables which can come into play like freezing, forgetting to take the safety off, tunnel vision, forgetting everything you've ever been taught, gun jam, on and on. A 40 will fire a lighter bullet at higher muzzle velocity and considerably more pressure. First of all, a higher muzzle velocity will mean a straighter trajectory down range. Testing conditions were 50 degrees Fahrenheit with full sunlight. Need more.? Then the news says the perp was taken to hospital with life threatening injuries. unable to see the data graphs from the article. If you want to make a mess, the sig elite 230 g is a show stopper. You follow the directions on the can. Old, Fat and Slow will do the job on the other hand depending on clothing choices I've been know to carry a 9mm or a 380 and I'm comfortable with having the choice, 10mm Physics boss: 9mm has more penetration and energy. I plan to soon buy a 9mm or .45. My sub-compacts with their polymer frames are smaller and easier and lighter to carry than a steel 1911. They experience real world outcomes every day. I am pretty much in agreement with the author, GET BOTH! Secure .gov websites use HTTPS This trumps expansion. Most of the 9mm-luger cartridges they tested are still accelerating out to 16, but most of the gains occur by about 10. I LIKE them all. At one time the 10mm was in consideration for the FBI. But to a victim or an attacker, what happens when an intruder gets hit by birdshot may be a lot different to 00. Only thing I would add is my home defense pistol fights me to my riflesince pistol rounds are weak compared to a good old 5.56. For me, it's an SR1911, an old 4x4 Toyota with a stick, and a Pedulla my choices on all 3 are exactly the same i thought that was oddly coincidental since all 3 are not the most common choices. First to mention, we are limited to FMJ rounds, no HP no JHP, just plain FMJ. I do not have much experience with guns in general and do not own a hand gun. Bear in mind that these numbers vary by manufacturer. I found this interesting as I was expecting certain loads to perform better in certain barrel lengths. The big difference in the 9mm and .45 which is often overlooked is if you have less than a 4 barrel on your 9mm even the the best (law enforcement grade) ammo under preformed; which negates the smaller 9mms, I like and own both and both have a mission. Inside the home I find .45 is the most comfortable. shoot it with a hot 9mm. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. anything extra and your Muzzle Velocity and Down-Range Velocity I own a few 9mm's and three 45's. Pick any popular defense ammo made in both 9mm and 45ACP and the 45ACP causes more damage. However the 9mm is much faster. I started shooting at age 8 I am now 64, aferter seeing many debates on this topic, here is my own opinion the best pistol or rifle for self defense is the one that you can shoot the best. You WILL freeze and lose hearing and fine motor control. If I saw a bear close that wasn't moving, I'd get the spray out and slowly back off, and use it if he started coming my way. So instead of boasting about something that never happened, recognize actual achievements like the almost unimaginable amount of vehicles weapons ammunition & food that we produced & ferried across the Atlantic to Pacific support and supply all of the Allies and our seemingly miraculous (midway) battles w/ Imperial Japan. My "house gun" of choice: .45 Long Taurus Public Defender. According to Newtons famous law of equal and opposite reactions, if the bullet is leaving the projectile at a higher speed (which means higher energy), the kick of your rifle against your shoulder or a pistol against your hand will be harder. The 45: Has more JHP expansion, More knock down power(even with a FMJ). Download our exclusive shooting targets for FREE ($47 value) This has caused a debate in the firearms community over what's better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one. 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