> <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. ", "They were nutcases. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:[email protected] "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? <<<<<<<<<<<. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" He didn't recognise her voice. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. It was a party nevertheless. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." > Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. I found them both disappointing. The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. How doesshe know this? Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. OT. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. > the same time, being simple and concrete. Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, [email protected], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. Please either stop > or> shape up. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! Is that how youwould describe it? And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Put on some headphones and listen. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. Orgy? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a WebEyes Wide Shut. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. Crumb Eye. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? >What else could he call it? Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. Statanic mass? There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. What a joke to call them "philosophers." >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. -- Steven L.Email: [email protected], http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Desire is always Other. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Let him go! But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. He wasn't positive. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. WebSynopsis. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. > Mandy was not the same woman. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? > He didn't recognise her voice. Statanic mass? --Napoleon. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? It's just idiotic. She helps Bill at the Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. 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